Wizzly

[Wizzly]

How would you improve him?

Level 16 True Neutral Warforged Male
(16 Wizard)
Hit Points: 166 (currently at 302 unbuffed with gear)
Spell Points: 1140 (currently at 1590)
BAB: 8\8\13
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 4
Will: 11

Strength 13 14
Dexterity 8 9
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 18 27 (currently 36)
Wisdom 11 12
Charisma 6 7

+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

Balance 1 8.5
Concentration 7 23
Jump 3 11.5
Repair 9 27
Spot 2 10.5
Swim 1 11.5
Tumble 1 2
Use Magic Device n/a 7.5 (can hit 20 currently)

Quicken Spell
Toughness
Spell Penetration
Empower Spell
Greater Spell Penetration
Mental Toughness
Enlarge Spell
Extend Spell
Heighten Spell
Maximize Spell

Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Wizard Energy Manipulation IV
Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Wizard Force Manipulation II
Wizard Spell Penetration III
Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Wizard Intelligence III
Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Racial Toughness II

Wizzly's planned gear pre-mod9
gloves gloves of the glacier (VoD)
boots kundarak delving boots (VoN) (not acquired)
bracers shroud sp concordant opposition (not acquired)
docent dt docent - resist 5, con +6, grt spell pen 8
goggles shroud immunity item (triple material/opposition/negative) (not acquired)
helmet minos legens
necklace shroud hp concordant opposition (not acquired)
trinket litany of the dead (abbot) (not acquired)
cloak stormreaver's napkin (reaver) (not acquired)
belt belt of brute strength (titan) (not acquired)
ring1 ring of thelis (hound)
ring2 30% striding ring
weapon shroud (triple ethereal/escalation/negative)

edit: thanks to Khit for suggesting concordant opposition for my hp and sp items. i lose nothing but gain 2% chance to gain sps and hps everytime i get hit. i also get wisdom +6, very helpful.

[Kraak]

IMO - drop empower for Spell Focus: Necro. Or drop empower for heighten.

[Wizzly]

IMO - drop empower for Spell Focus: Necro. Or drop empower for heighten.

he has heighten

why drop empower? and esp why drop for spell focus?

doesnt sound like a good idea to me. rarely do i fail finger and dropping empower would lower my dps considerably, esp against named bosses.

[moorewr]

How often do you cast with both maximize and empower? I pretty much never run with both on... in fact I dropped empower on my sorc...

[Wizzly]

How often do you cast with both maximize and empower? I pretty much never run with both on... in fact I dropped empower on my sorc...

........ :confused: ..........

i dont think i ever turn them off.

for one, less damage = bosses live longer = slower completions = less completions = less loot = etc

two, your high level spells are more sp-efficient with empower than without. for instance, disintegrate costs 35 sps. if you add empower, it costs 50 - an increase in sp cost of ~43%, but your damage is increased by 50%. it's just not smart to cast 6th level and higher spells without it.

[Kraak]

I was just thinking of ways to add dc to you finger's. If you have all those resources invested in spell pen, it would suck to lose to a saving throw. So its a trade off between instikill and dps kill. I'd swing toward improving instikill.

Mostly - any adjustments would be personal pref - you've got all the bases covered.

[jrpfactors]

How often do you cast with both maximize and empower? I pretty much never run with both on... in fact I dropped empower on my sorc...

not to step on anyone toes, play it your own way...but a soc without max and emp ON at all times, would be fairly gimped to say the least

my tip of the week...

roll a caster.... at level 1 max/ empower turn them on take them off your hot bar...that way you will never make the mistake above:eek: we cast to kill, they give us feats we kill quicker with them on, making all fights shorter and our gaming days easier/ all cleric mana easier and all tanks lives simpler

jrp

[moorewr]

A level 1 sorc with maximize and empower turned on? They must be human.. :rolleyes: That would be a good way to reenact tabletop D&D in DDO.. four casts and you get to stand in back with a crossbow...

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

I always have empower and maximize on my sorc, as a sorc you have the extra sp to cover what you use. Of course at low levels, I didnt turn both on except for boss fights otherwise you would be out of mana in no time. But once you get to about firewall time, then it was on all the time.

You didnt really say how you see yourself with this toon Wiz, do you see yourself as a generalist? More of a debuffer? (Which sorry to say can be done so great by a wizard, but is rarely done well). I like on my human sorc to have her necro focused (greater necro and rarely fails), where as my wf sorc is more of a mix of cc and raw power (not much escapes it's web and gives the extra time to give a second finger to anything I fail on my first attempt).


So to answer your question, as for reconsideration of feats, I would give some about swapping mental toughness for a spell focus feat. I am not sure why poople say it doesnt make a difference , because it definitely does. Go on instakill duty in part one of the shroud and it becomes very clear who is geared/built for such duty and who isnt. Now I do understand that instakills is less valuable with the newer mods, but it is still useful. Last spawn of detonator bats in visions, anyone?

P.s. why the belt of brute str if you have con6 on your dt docent? Good to have some str on a caster but not that necessary, seems you could find a better belt to use, there are some named ones (belt thoughtful rememberance), but of couse an easy one to obtain would be a gfl with str 2 or 3 right off the top of my head.

[Kraak]

Suzee - I presumed he wanted instikill because of all the investment into spell pen.

JRP - empower off = gimp - disagree. Can't do anything well = gimp - agree. It all depends on how Wizzly runs this toon. I will say this - max/empower spells that linger well beyond when the targets are dead = gimp - total waste of sp which is critical on a wiz.

If you think that there's only one way to effectively run a class and everything else is gimp'd, then you're statements make more sense. Obviously you haven't said this, but that's what I'm gathering from your replies. Thoughts?

[jrpfactors]

Suzee - I presumed he wanted instikill because of all the investment into spell pen.

JRP - empower off = gimp - disagree. Can't do anything well = gimp - agree. It all depends on how Wizzly runs this toon. I will say this - max/empower spells that linger well beyond when the targets are dead = gimp - total waste of sp which is critical on a wiz.

If you think that there's only one way to effectively run a class and everything else is gimp'd, then you're statements make more sense. Obviously you haven't said this, but that's what I'm gathering from your replies. Thoughts?

= soc has extend turned off on all none boss fights, firewall is the only lingering damage spell of value, extend is nice for Sorjek, been in there with way to many "gimp" casters who have no power/ extend, he should die in less then 2 waves of memphits, so I cant agree on hte lingering spells unless its a poorly played caster that leaves extend on for firewalls in regular quests,... which sure there are plenty of tools that do this all the time, No I cant understand how anyone wouldnt have both on all the time, I see casters that cant kill and I know why, they saved 25 spell points, at the expense of the clerics 100 spell points , lets go to battle with a uzi or a pistol?

jrp

[Wizzly]

Suzee - spot on with the sorc comments.

Wizzly is a killer. Mostly fire/ice (as can tell by crit enh) bc that works most for raid bosses.

swapping MT for a spf might not be a bad idea, but i rarely fail on the dcs now that i got his shroud item so i dunno.

and def want the titan belt. base 14 str with no boost = helpless in symbol of weakness sometimes. take ~1 sec to realize and get out of it which can make a difference. and gfl is a given.

kraak - spell pen is for more than just instakills. arreatrikos and suulomades debuffing, symbol of stunning devils, etc.

and i almost never prematurely run out of sps. i gather as much crap as i can, nuke it, then move on. and more importantly, no one dot spell will kill a raid boss.

[Wizzly]

= soc has extend turned off on all none boss fights, firewall is the only lingering damage spell of value, extend is nice for Sorjek, been in there with way to many "gimp" casters who have no power/ extend, he should die in less then 2 waves of memphits, so I cant agree on hte lingering spells unless its a poorly played caster that leaves extend on for firewalls in regular quests,... which sure there are plenty of tools that do this all the time, No I cant understand how anyone wouldnt have both on all the time, I see casters that cant kill and I know why, they saved 25 spell points, at the expense of the clerics 100 spell points , lets go to battle with a uzi or a pistol?

jrp

acid fog + firewall ftw

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

thats why I said spell focus feats, I was thinking necro because of finger, but was getting at what type of caster you are. If you are regularly debuffing, then look at that those spells and see about taking that class of focus.

[Kraak]

I see casters that cant kill and I know why, they saved 25 spell points, at the expense of the clerics 100 spell points , lets go to battle with a uzi or a pistol?

jrp

Assuming that the recommendation is in the context of the player - I don't think that Wizz falls into this category. So I'd still challenge the need, or the statement that the caster's gimped if they don't have empower.

[Kraak]

Wizzly is a killer. Mostly fire/ice (as can tell by crit enh) bc that works most for raid bosses. answers the build question


kraak - spell pen is for more than just instakills. arreatrikos and suulomades debuffing, symbol of stunning devils, etc. yep - understand. Most of the non-save debuffing can be done through scrolls (spell pen still applies to those scrolls); most save debuffing is ineffective against raid bosses; so i presumed that the spell pen was geared toward finger, but I think you've addressed the build question

[moorewr]

Assuming that the recommendation is in the context of the player - I don't think that Wizz falls into this category. So I'd still challenge the need, or the statement that the caster's gimped if they don't have empower.

It's ok, Kraak - JRP can call me a gimp all day. I don't mind.

(PS: although in the specific case of Sorjek, it isn't true. Aesa is tailor-made to stomp his johnson :cool: )

[jrpfactors]

acid fog + firewall ftw

sounds nice, but what soc is gonna be acid specd, if they are... their enhancements will be extremly low in both--weak in both, I know your not weak, their fire and ice will be gimp, gimp if you will and not Legion standard:eek: ftw

jrp

[jrpfactors]

It's ok, Kraak - JRP can call me a gimp all day. I don't mind.

(PS: although in the specific case of Sorjek, it isn't true. Aesa is tailor-made to stomp his johnson :cool: )

not calling you a gimp at all, just the concept of any Soc that thinks they are putting out max damage without max/emp running at all times is just making a mistake, its not the end of the world its just a mistake, if your not 100% maxed in all enhancements in fire and Ice the build is weak, doesnt mean its not good, the player simply isnt putting out MAX damage which is kinda all the summation of why we try to make good builds

of course my caster is a tad gimped because i dont have a +3 char tome yet, so all my spell dc are -1 from what I would like to have

jrp

[Kraak]

not calling you a gimp at all, just the concept of any Soc that thinks they are putting out max damage without max/emp running at all times is just making a mistake, its not the end of the world its just a mistake, if your not 100% maxed in all enhancements in fire and Ice the build is weak, doesnt mean its not good, the player simply isnt putting out MAX damage which is kinda all the summation of why we try to make good builds

of course my caster is a tad gimped because i dont have a +3 char tome yet, so all my spell dc are -1 from what I would like to have

jrp

Gotcha - I approach from tool-to-the-use side, and personally perceive that there's a lot of overkilling that goes on.

So when you're saying Gimped, you're meaning not max dps. Fair enough.

[moorewr]

not calling you a gimp at all, just the concept of any Soc that thinks they are putting out max damage without max/emp running at all times is just making a mistake, its not the end of the world its just a mistake, if your not 100% maxed in all enhancements in fire and Ice the build is weak, doesnt mean its not good, the player simply isnt putting out MAX damage which is kinda all the summation of why we try to make good builds

heh, I was just trying to lighten the mood there. Plus I agree Aesa has his gimpy moments.

In any case I plan to take empower at 18 because omg I will have a lot of SP at end game. He's full fire/cold-spec, so he hasn't felt short of dps there, just short of versatility since he's a 14/2 paladin build...

of course my caster is a tad gimped because i dont have a +3 char tome yet, so all my spell dc are -1 from what I would like to have

jrp

Mine too. I keep running VoD and the Hound for the ring and tomes, no luck yet. Also I'm 3 scales short of finishing his cha stat weapon.

[Wizzly]

thats why I said spell focus feats, I was thinking necro because of finger, but was getting at what type of caster you are. If you are regularly debuffing, then look at that those spells and see about taking that class of focus.
debuffs with saves = bestow curse and crushing despair, both of which all the current end-game bosses are immune to. also, they come from different schools so which one would i pick anyway.

Assuming that the recommendation is in the context of the player - I don't think that Wizz falls into this category. So I'd still challenge the need, or the statement that the caster's gimped if they don't have empower.
i hear you challenging it, but not offering any kind of argument to support your position.

It's ok, Kraak - JRP can call me a gimp all day. I don't mind.

(PS: although in the specific case of Sorjek, it isn't true. Aesa is tailor-made to stomp his johnson :cool: )
no, aesa is not. firstly, youre not pure so you lose 2 base damage per tick (4 against sorjek) on your firewall. secondly, you dont have empower so you're missing out on a multiplicative 50% boost to your damage. what do your firewalls hit him for? 100? 150?. thirdly, i assume you dont have acid fog, or if you do that its not enhanced.

sounds nice, but what soc is gonna be acid specd, if they are... their enhancements will be extremly low in both--weak in both, I know your not weak, their fire and ice will be gimp, gimp if you will and not Legion standard:eek: ftw

jrp
Wizzly is not a sorc.

Gotcha - I approach from tool-to-the-use side, and personally perceive that there's a lot of overkilling that goes on.

So when you're saying Gimped, you're meaning not max dps. Fair enough.
kraak, ive played with you several times. youre a good player and person and i respect you, but, in my experience, i have never seen you overkill anything on your caster. even if you were to overkill trash mobs on normal quests, i can assure you that you are not overkilling bosses, especially without empower on your caster. No one firewall, not even a fully specced and critted one hitting max damage each tick will kill sorjek, esp not without empower.

[Kraak]

kraak, ive played with you several times. youre a good player and person and i respect you, but, in my experience, i have never seen you overkill anything on your caster. even if you were to overkill trash mobs on normal quests, i can assure you that you are not overkilling bosses, especially without empower on your caster. No one firewall, not even a fully specced and critted one hitting max damage each tick will kill sorjek, esp not without empower.

No ruffled feathers here. The main sorc I pull out was despec'ed to balance the purpose of the build. And provides certain functions well, and others not at all. Here are a couple of examples of what I mean by overkill:
A Firewall that remains up x% of the time it took to kill the mob after that mob is dead - we can call this "Lingering firewalls"
A Khopesh Crit to kill a mob by more than x% of the remaining HP required to kill that mob - we can call this "Over-crit'ing" (and the same could be applied to picks)
A Lightning Strike/Disintegration proc that kills a mob by more than x% of the remaining HP required to kill that mob - we can call this "Look at the pretty colors from my shiney weapon overkill"
A Polar Ray that kills a mob by more than x% of the remaining HP required to kill that mob - we can call this - "I'm a Bad Mofo Caster that has higher numbers than anyone else"


These are a couple of different cases of what I call overkilling.

[Kraak]

So here are a couple of practical examples:

A Firewall that remains up 10 seconds after a mob is dead is x% of waste (where x is 10 seconds over the length of the firewall)

A Khopesh Crit kills a mob with a 180 pt crit, the mob has 30 hp left, that's 150 pts of wasted damage

A Lightning Strike that kills a mob with 650 of lightning damage, the mob has 120 hp left, 320 pts of damage wasted

A Polar Ray that kills a mob with 1000 pts of cold damage, the mob has 300 hp left, that's 700 pts of wasted damage

These are a couple of examples but there's a lot of over-killing that happens in this game. Most of the damage studies are based on highest mean dps. A fuller view of the dps issue would include the variation of that dps and application to specific mob's. So you'll end up with different profiles based on different weapons/attacks/spells and applied to different mobs. Does not having empower mean that your offensive spells will do less damage - of course. Does it mean that they're less efficient - not necessarily.

So the point I was trying to make is while your dps be reduced, you're efficiency may go up. And typically a missed insti-kill is much more expensive than needing to pop another firewall. However, if you're built on a howitzer strength Polar Ray, then stick to your strengths and keep empower. A lot has to do with playstyle. So when you ask what else could I do with my enhancements, you're also asking another question, how can I change my playstyle (for the build in question).

PS - in the end for the more experience players and or power gamers: most of these discussions are a wash. To the level of play required for the game, most skills supercede the smaller variations in different builds.

[Bunker]

How would you improve him?

Level 16 True Neutral Warforged Male
(16 Wizard)
Hit Points: 166 (currently at 302 unbuffed with gear)
Spell Points: 1140 (currently at 1590)
BAB: 8\8\13
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 4
Will: 11

Strength 13 14
Dexterity 8 9
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 18 27 (currently 36)
Wisdom 11 12
Charisma 6 7

+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 16
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 16
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 16

Balance 1 8.5
Concentration 7 23
Jump 3 11.5
Repair 9 27
Spot 2 10.5
Swim 1 11.5
Tumble 1 2
Use Magic Device n/a 7.5 (can hit 20 currently)

Quicken Spell
Toughness
Spell Penetration
Empower Spell
Greater Spell Penetration
Mental Toughness
Enlarge Spell
Extend Spell
Heighten Spell
Maximize Spell

Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements III
Wizard Energy Manipulation IV
Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Wizard Force Manipulation II
Wizard Spell Penetration III
Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Wizard Intelligence III
Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Racial Toughness II

Hello Wizzly: WF pure Wizard. Good stuff. I at one time had a pure Dwarf Wizard and a pure WF Sorcerer. Here are a few things I would take a look at.

Feats/Enhancements: Obviously when touching on these areas, a lot of adjustments has much to do about play style. (imho) I think that you have some serious Spell Pen going on with this build. It might be a little too much. I would take a look at other feats such as mental toughness(and imt). Wizards rock for the obvious reason that they get all those feats. If you find that you can bypass Mob's spell resistance without those feats, then you don't need em. If your spells seem not to land as much, then maybe it would be good to retake em. Personally, I know what I would do with my feats, but like I said, I feel it has much to do about play style.

Wizzly's planned gear pre-mod9
gloves gloves of the glacier (VoD)
boots kundarak delving boots (VoN) (not acquired)
bracers shroud sp concordant opposition (not acquired)
docent dt docent - resist 5, con +6, grt spell pen 8
goggles shroud immunity item (triple material/opposition/negative) (not acquired)
helmet minos legens
necklace shroud hp concordant opposition (not acquired)
trinket litany of the dead (abbot) (not acquired)
cloak stormreaver's napkin (reaver) (not acquired)
belt belt of brute strength (titan) (not acquired)
ring1 ring of thelis (hound)
ring2 30% striding ring
weapon shroud (triple ethereal/escalation/negative)

edit: thanks to Khit for suggesting concordant opposition for my hp and sp items. i lose nothing but gain 2% chance to gain sps and hps everytime i get hit. i also get wisdom +6, very helpful.

Gear: If you are a wizard, you can do it all when it comes to Spells. If you want to keep it simple then have one setup of gear. You can of course have different gear for different situations. You should also look at what kind of gear is listed and see where you are doubling up.

A lot of gear choices will probably be changed around post Mod 9. Some things to keep in mind though is what items you want static and what slots you want available to quickly switch out gear. As a WF, the Armor Slot is great for changing out gear. So I wouldn't put a resistance or +6 con on my armor. I would probably wear Boots of the Innocents instead of the Von Boots. Sure the FoM is good to have, but you are WF, so you aren't getting held anyways. You don't require FoM as much as other races. I would then toss the striding ring and put +6 con there. Striding 30 is good stuff, but I know that as a Wizard, I am hasted most of the time. When I'm not hasted, striding 15% from the boots will be good enough.

You have a +9 int GS weapon and also wearing the reaver cloak. So yo should find something else to put together and not double up there. You already have 2 cord opp. items on the list to make. If ingredients are easy to come by for you, I would look into making an "Ash" weapon. You could go +6 dex first tier, and then the added +3 into on second and third tier. The enervation is fun on the weapon also. Of course, doing the double 3rd tier is if you have extra larges to burn.

The GS goggle recipe is a waste. You are WF, so you are already immune to a lot of things. A couple pairs of tangleroot goggles covers your DW. I do agree that fear immunity is important but you could always slip that in with another GS item you have. It could be the negative portion of a cord opp. item. I really just not a fan favorite of the 3x negative items. Not to mention it is a guard item and not the greatest at that.

I wouldn't make GS bracers on a caster pre Mod 9. I would want to acquire the Vod bracers to go with the Vod Gloves.

The Belt of Brute Strength is always nice. I like the belt from DQ. If you are playing your Wizard with the intent of not getting hit, then you don't need all those HP and Str. You would gain your Fear Immunity, it would cover your Str and Con slots both being +4. If you were to weild a weapon and get into the fight with a bit of melee once in a while, then I would want more Str and Con, but if you are playing a more elusive caster roll, then having between 250-300 sp at lvl 16 seeing as you can reconstruct yourself at will, then you are good. Maybe you find yourself running around in quests with less then 50 HP a lot. If that is the case, then keep the HP as high as possible, you seem to get hit a lot and you will need them.

Ring of Thelis: If you have a SP item somewhere else, I'm not sure what you want it for. The spell resistance is ok, but really, I think it again is just doubling up certain things. You already have good resistances and immunities as a WF vs. spells, so I would not wear this ring.

GS items are probably the toughest choices to make because post mod 9, you never know what will be good. For GS accessory slots on a WF caster, I would probably use the Helm and Goggle slots. You are a WF, use your docent slot to your advantage. Static gear can be nice to keep it simple, but being a wizard, you can do much more, and your gear should support your casting capabilities.

Anyways. Hope you are enjoying the WF Wizard.

[Ministry]

It's cool that everyone is offering their opinions and help, but when it comes to any build, you need to specialize to be the most useful. Wizards usually specialize less because of their mass selection of interchangable spells, but based on feats and enhancements, etc, most people seem to focus their spellcasters on DPS via firewalls, cones, etc.

Now my thinking is similar to only one person I've seen so far.

My pure wizzy is not going to compete with the FREAKING SORCS with their infinite mana pool, so I best use my superior intellect (look ma, I'm roleplaying).

I spec'ed out my wizzy for insta kills.

My items and feats and anything else were set to give me the max int and max chance of the mobs not resisting my FOD and PK's.

My Wizzy constantly is the solo arcane in raids. Not because he has tonnes of spell points, but because when he does something, it is successful.

When I'm in the Shroud, I have 40+ kills in part 1 and if their is a sorc in the group with me, I have less than 40, but more than the sorc on 9 out of 10 times.

The sorc is trying to insta kill, but the mobs are saving like crazy.

The mobs rarely save vs. my insta kills.

I knew my wizzy would never compete with the raw power of a Sorc, but with my extra feat and maxed out int... I will go up against a sorc all day long.

Once again proving brains over brawn.

The funny thing... my wizzy usually runs out of spell points near the end of part one in the shroud, but that is not all that bad compared to what I saw the other day. I was on a shroud run with my melee and we had a Sorc and Wizzy with us. Before the end of part one, both of them were out of kills and the Sorc had about 25 kills, my melee around 20 without trying and the wizzy had about 8 and yes... both were out of mana before the end.

By the end of the raid, Khits and my melee had the most kills.. I think we were one off each other, the sorc was next and the wizzy was way down.

I've seen too many sorcs in this raid that couldn't kill much, but probably because their speced for fire and / or ice dps.

The wizard... well, I don't think he was spec'ed for anything.

Ya can't be good at everything, so pick what you want to be the best at and make it happen.

IMO, Wizards will win out in the end with the extra level 9 spells and their extreme diversity. This is why I deleted my sorc and went all in with my Wizzy.

Can't wait for mod 9 to see if I'm right.

Oh, the only thing I would have done different... WF instead of Drow. It was a tough decision and I like my drow, but I love those innate wf immunities, ability to heal self and the extra con points. Oh well...

[Thorzian]

to answer the way earlier question of why exchange empower for spell focus? the answer is because, if you stay pure class, you will recieve another metamagic at 20. if you already have all but eschew materials then you will be, dragonshards not withstanding, wasting a feat.

now i know a quick dragonshard would fix it but for the purpose of creating a build that doesnt need changing, a regular feat would be of better use than a metamagic. and a spell focus (necro or evocation in this case) is the way i would go.

[Sidhearcher]

He's a warforged.
That is enough.

[moorewr]

Min is certainly right about level 20 wizards - adequate mana, great PrE choices, versatility...

Aesa at level 20 (18 sorc/2 pal) will still be almost a one trick pony - a high-saves, moderate high HP (well, high for a drow) nuker. He'll have a few hundred more mana than that wizard, but that wizard will have, what, 2000+?

[nakano]

A wiz can have all the right EASY buttons. A sorc can have a couple. I used to run my sorc to the exclusion of my wiz, pulling him out when the sorc was on timer. Now the reverse is true based on my preference for flexibility.