The Zealot ~~ lvl 16 paladin

[Shyv]

There are those that stand against the waves of demons that assault the city of Stormreach and then there are those that strike at the heart of evil with a force forged in the fury of the heavens. The Zealot is a pure believer that the best defense is a strong offense and has become a master of the two-weapon fighting style as proof of that dedication. Afterall, why protect yourself from being hit, when it's faster to put your foe down in a bloody mess in the name of your god.

This build does require a +2 dex tome before level 6 in order to unlock Improved Two-weapon fighting and a +2 cha tome before lvl 15 to unlock Divine Might 3. Other than that as always tomes and gear are not required.


Healing: Moderate
Crowd Control: Low
DPS: Very High (well for a paladin that is :) )
Group Buffs: Moderate

Enjoy!!!

Name: Boradum
Race: Human (32 pt)
Alignment: Lawful Good
Class: Paladin 16

Strength: 15 +2 tome +1 enhancement +6 Item +4 Levels = 28
Dexterity: 15 +2 tome +1 enhancements + 6 Item +0 Levels = 24
Constitution: 14 +2 tome +0 enhancements +6 Item +0 Levels = 22
Intelligence: 8 +2 tome +0 enhancements +0 item +0 levels = 10
Wisdom: 8 +2 tome +0 enhancements +6 item +0 levels = 16
Charisma: 16 +2 tomes+ 2 enhancements + 6 item +0 levels = 26

Level

1) Paladin ~ Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh, Power Attack
2) Paladin
3) Paladin ~ Two-weapon Fighting
4) Paladin
5) Paladin
6) Paladin ~ Improved Two-weapon Fighting
7) Paladin
8) Paladin
9) Paladin ~ Improved Critical: Slashing
10) Paladin
11) Paladin
12) Paladin ~ Greater Two-weapon Fighting
13) Paladin
14) Paladin
15) Paladin ~ Extend Spell
16) Paladin

Hit Points

Paladin lvls: ~~~ 160
Heroic Durability: 20
Constitution:~~~132
Argo favor:~~~~10
Greater False Life:30
Minos Legion: ~~ 18
Total:~~~~~~~ 370

Spell Points

Paladin lvls ~~~ 172
Wis Bonus ~~~ 75
Energy of the Templar 2 ~ 40
Total ~~~~~~~ 287

Saves

Fortitude: 10 Paladin + 5 item + 6 con + 8 cha +3 Aura +1 Alch +2 GL = 35
Reflex: 5 Paladin + 5 item +7 dex +8 cha +3 Aura +1 Alch +2 GL = 31
Willpower: 5 Paladin + 5 item + 3 wis +8 cha +3 Aura +1 Alch +2 GL = 29

Skills

Diplomacy
Concentration

Enhancements

Paladin Follower of the Sovereign Host
Paladin Unyielding Sovereignty

Paladin Charisma 1
Paladin Charisma 2

Human Adaptability Strength 1
Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity 1

Paladin Resistance of Good 1
Paladin Resistance of Good 2

Paladin Bulwark of Good 1
Paladin Bulwark of Good 2

Paladin Courage of Good 1
Paladin Courage of Good 2

Human Improved Recovery 1

Paladin Energy of the Templar 1
Paladin Energy of the Templar 2

Paladin Extra Turning 1

Paladin Divine Might 1
Paladin Divine Might 2
Paladin Divine Might 3

Paladin Extra Smite Evil 1
Paladin Extra Smite Evil 2
Paladin Extra Smite Evil 3
Paladin Extra Smite Evil 4

Paladin Exalted Smite Evil 1
Paladin Exalted Smite Evil 2
Paladin Exalted Smite Evil 3

Paladin Divine Sacrifice 1
Paladin Divine Sacrifice 2

Paladin Extra Lay on Hands 1
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands 2
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands 3

[Shyv]

Don't know a whole lot about paladins really. Highest I got one was 6 before I moved to something else. Any thoughts are appreciated.

[Shyv]

Enhancements are set up to take the Knight of the Chalice line in mod 9.

[moorewr]

AC wont be all that amazing for a paladin (even with aura+dex).. and I guess you'd have him in a mithril breastplate.. I see you focused on diplo. I find the temptation to mix in tempest or rogue on a twf gets overwhelming at that point - see where I ended up, with only six levels of paladin in my str-rogue build.

I guess either Knight of the Chalice or Hunter of the Dead would fit the mission well enough..

[Shyv]

I would think about splashing 2 monk for evasion and the two feats while wearing a mithral breastplate and using diplomacy.

From the reports I've heard from the lamania server in order for AC to be worthwhile it has to be really high, talking the 60-80 range instead of the 50-70 range it is currently.

The only way for a paly to get that is to either be robe wearing dex based monk splash or take the defender PrE and concentrate on AC and defense.

[moorewr]

Well, can't do the MBP with monk. Icy Raiment or DT robes it is.

I'm guessing mid/high 60s buffed to be effective AC from what I've seen.

[Shyv]

Well, can't do the MBP with monk. Icy Raiment or DT robes it is.

I'm guessing mid/high 60s buffed to be effective AC from what I've seen.

You can if you don't care about the wisdom bonus. Evasion and the free feats work the same regardless of what you're wearing.

[moorewr]

Good point.

[Feylina]

can you even cast spells with a base 10 wis? thought you needed at least a base 11 then could mod the rest with enchantment bonuses

[Shyv]

can you even cast spells with a base 10 wis? thought you needed at least a base 11 then could mod the rest with enchantment bonuses


Items count towards the casting ability too. You could actualy start your wisdom at 8 and still be able fully cast all ranger and paladin spells with a +6 item.

[Feylina]

ah nice. i was always a little unclear about that

[Wizzly]

DPS: Very High (well for a paladin that is :) )


didnt bother much after this. a gtwf paladin that knows how to time there DS and smites to double hit is some of the best dps in the game atm, and its only going to get better when they get the capstone.

diplomacy? on a dpser with no sneak attack? wtf?

why do you have no umd with so much charisma?

370 hps with no evasion is pretty squishy. might want to consider delaying khopesh til 18th and get toughness instead.

if youre not using longswords then why do you have unyielding sov? 10 min heal clicky is nice, but id suggest toughness enhancements instead.

[Eldamir]

I'd advocate Toughness over Power Attack -- with only 28 strength, your THAC0 (sorry, couldn't resist) is going to be kind of low as it is. I don't think you need to add another -5 penalty on top of that.
You'd also pick up nearly 100 hitpoints by going that way if you pumped all the enhancements up at the same time.

edit: it's over 100 actually if the human adaptability constitution kicks you to an even con (easy to do if you invest the time in tomes to do so).
22 - Toughness Feat (at 20)
40 - Paladin Toughness IV
30 - Racial Toughness III
20 - Con bonus from the Human Adaptability
------
112 more hitpoints

[Shyv]

didnt bother much after this. a gtwf paladin that knows how to time there DS and smites to double hit is some of the best dps in the game atm, and its only going to get better when they get the capstone.

I agree that it can be great DPS, but think of the whole server and then think of the number of skilled players that can consistantly pull that timing off.

diplomacy? on a dpser with no sneak attack? wtf?

The AC isn't great on this build and the primary role is to add dps to the group. Use it to push aggro off of you onto those that want the aggro. Diplomacy is good for more than rogues, and it's an easy class skill to max out.

why do you have no umd with so much charisma?

Nothing saying that you couldn't. But with the excess of available clickies that are available the use of UMD on a class that can self heal already as a cross-class skill is not all that great.

370 hps with no evasion is pretty squishy. might want to consider delaying khopesh til 18th and get toughness instead.

Could do that and the HP total is without greensteel. Could toss in a mineral II item to bring you up over 400.

if youre not using longswords then why do you have unyielding sov? 10 min heal clicky is nice, but id suggest toughness enhancements instead.

It's a pre-req for knight of the chalice. You have to take one of the faith lines, might as well go for that one since it's not a drow build.

[Wizzly]

I agree that it can be great DPS, but think of the whole server and then think of the number of skilled players that can consistantly pull that timing off.
are you the rest of the server?

The AC isn't great on this build and the primary role is to add dps to the group. Use it to push aggro off of you onto those that want the aggro. Diplomacy is good for more than rogues, and it's an easy class skill to max out.
my point is your dps doesnt change as a result of the diplo. rogues diplo bc their dps goes up when they shake aggro. yours wont change. and besides...if you dont know how to time your smites and ds properly you probably wont be drawing aggro anyway. second besides, with watching smite and ds timers youre not likely to have many opportunities to hit diplo anyway.

Nothing saying that you couldn't. But with the excess of available clickies that are available the use of UMD on a class that can self heal already as a cross-class skill is not all that great.
paladin self heal = # lay on hands + umd healing + wands between fights. if you cant toss heal scrolls then you might as well be a ranger with a couple silver flame pots.

Could do that and the HP total is without greensteel. Could toss in a mineral II item to bring you up over 400.
415. my fighter has that without min 2 and without a con tome and he nearly dies often with pug clerics and/or with lag.

It's a pre-req for knight of the chalice. You have to take one of the faith lines, might as well go for that one since it's not a drow build.
hmm...this one makes some sense. ill have to look into it more sometime, cant recall what it does atm.

[Shyv]

are you the rest of the server?.

This build was for other people. I don't post the builds that I actualy play since my playstyle won't work for about 99% of the server.

my point is your dps doesnt change as a result of the diplo. rogues diplo bc their dps goes up when they shake aggro. yours wont change. and besides...if you dont know how to time your smites and ds properly you probably wont be drawing aggro anyway. second besides, with watching smite and ds timers youre not likely to have many opportunities to hit diplo anyway..


I understand that. My point was to use diplomacy as a way to mitigate damage away from you since you don't have evasion or a super high AC. And it's a lot easier to hit diplo every 6 seconds as opposed to timing smites and DS.


paladin self heal = # lay on hands + umd healing + wands between fights. if you cant toss heal scrolls then you might as well be a ranger with a couple silver flame pots.
.

And I agree, however most players don't know how to get their UMD on a cross-class high enough to make it worthwhile and I wasn't going to post a "how to" on UMD use. We both play with a lot of top tier players that understand the game and how things work. Unfortunalty most of the server doesn't.


415. my fighter has that without min 2 and without a con tome and he nearly dies often with pug clerics and/or with lag..


Just my opinion but I think 400+ is a good number for level 16. Tack on the lay on hands and the well placed use of diplomacy and the build should be fine.

hmm...this one makes some sense. ill have to look into it more sometime, cant recall what it does atm.

Yeah trust me I'm not a fan of the faith lines, but it's required.

[Eldamir]

Constitution: 14 +2 tome +0 enhancements +6 Item +0 Levels = 22
Hit Points

Paladin lvls: ~~~ 160
Heroic Durability: 20
Constitution:~~~132
Argo favor:~~~~10
Greater False Life:30
Minos Legion: ~~ 18
Total:~~~~~~~ 370



Not sure about your hitpoint calculations, Shyv..

A 22 con gives you +96 hitpoints at lvl16 (6*16)

Here's how I see your hitpoints looking at lvl16
Nekked Buffed Max
Hit Points 334 354 448
Heroic Durability 20 20 20
Argonessen Favor 10 10 10
Constitution Bonus 96 96 96
Paladin 16 160 160 160
Aid 22
Rage 16
Virtue 20 20
Insp Great. 20
G Heroism 16
False Life Spell 20
Grtr False Life Item 30 30 30
Minos Legens 18 18 18


334 hitpoints is very low (in my opinion) - that's roughly what the original Torgosh had when I retired him at lvl15.. and the low hit points was one of the primary considerations behind the decision.

Were you to add in a Toughness feat in lieu of either Extend or Power Attack, you'd end up with a much more viable number:
Hit Points 422 442 536
Base Hit Points 334 354 448
Toughness 18 18 18
Racial Toughness 30 30 30
Class Toughness 40 40 40

[Wizzly]

This build was for other people. I don't post the builds that I actualy play since my playstyle won't work for about 99% of the server.
this explains it all.




I understand that. My point was to use diplomacy as a way to mitigate damage away from you since you don't have evasion or a super high AC. And it's a lot easier to hit diplo every 6 seconds as opposed to timing smites and DS.
if you cant count on them hitting smites and ds on timers why do you think they can with diplo?

[Shyv]

Not sure about your hitpoint calculations, Shyv..


Hmmmm...yeah not sure where I got that number from. I'll have to go back and make the changes. With it being lower I may swap out for toughness.

I guess I never really worry about HP since my main only runs with 286 and I don't have any issues. /shrug I'll make the corrections in a bit. :)

[Shyv]

this explains it all.

Not sure what that means, but ok.


if you cant count on them hitting smites and ds on timers why do you think they can with diplo?

There is a huge difference between timing your smites and DS to the propper swing and hitting diplo when the timer comes up.

[Shyv]

Upcoming changes:

Drop khopesh
Add toughness
Re-work enhancements for toughness enhancements

[Wizzly]

Not sure what that means, but ok.
it means i now understand why an above par player is building subpar.

There is a huge difference between timing your smites and DS to the propper swing and hitting diplo when the timer comes up.
no, its exactly the same. hitting the right button at the right time in a cycle.

[Sidhearcher]

Nah Wizzly, timing diplo is not the same as timing smite or DS to coincide with a certain swing in your combat sequence.
Speaking from recent experience... it takes paying attention and some level of coordination.

[Wizzly]

Nah Wizzly, timing diplo is not the same as timing smite or DS to coincide with a certain swing in your combat sequence.
Speaking from recent experience... it takes paying attention and some level of coordination.

guess i really am just that uber then :rolleyes:

[Sidhearcher]

Sure you are. Just keep telling yourself that, sugar. ;)